The Red Sea Miracle - Tim Mahoney is BACK AlongTheWay 43

Tim Mahoney’s search for Patterns of Evidence is far from complete. His latest films present the 2 major views of the Red Sea Miracle and follow the evidence where it leads. Was the miracle of the Red Sea parting really as epic as portrayed by Cecil B. DeMille??? Follow filmmaker Tim Mahoney as he reveals the Patterns of Evidence he has discovered along his way.

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Tim Mahoney : 0:01

so this then separates two major viewpoints one that makes the event of the Exodus very close to Egypt. And the other one much further away, in a sense, one's a marshy lake. Right. And the other ones mighty sea. Yeah. And that's the conflict in this investigation with the Red Sea mirror.

John Matarazzo : 0:22

Welcome to along the way. I'm John Matarazzo, your host and fellow traveler. Thank you for joining me along my way as I try to become more like Jesus every day. On this episode of along the way, I'm joined by my friend and filmmaker Tim Mahoney. His journey to find patterns of evidence that happened in the Bible has led him on an incredible journey. And I'm glad to be able to sit with him and talk about his next film, the Red Sea miracle part one, I'll get to our conversation in just a moment but I want to thank you for listening and subscribing to along the way. And those of you that have rated and reviewed along the way and extra Thank you. Making this show has been an incredible journey for For me, and I really appreciate all the feedback that I've received. Through along the way. My voice has been able to reach people in 42 different countries and so, so many different cities. I want to give a big shout out to Gil Mahoney, Tim, his wife for listening and being a fellow traveler with me. She let me know that she's been listening to along the way ever since I first interviewed Tim back in Episode Four. She's listened to most if not all of my episodes, when she let me know that that really brightened my day. Jill, thank you so much for joining me along the way. If you want to listen to my first conversation with Tim Mahoney, you can go back to Episode Four. I'll be providing a link for that in the show notes as well. I'm so excited whenever I find out that new people are listening to this show. I would love to hear from you. Please email me at john along the way@gmail.com and let me know where you're listening from. All of my socials and contact links are in the shownotes I look forward to hearing from you. And now here's my along the way conversation with Tim Tim Mahoney, it's great to have you back on along the way. You were just on the real life program a couple hours ago. It's wonderful to have you back in the Pittsburgh area and to talk with you in the flesh. We stayed in contact since the last time you were with us and actually got to do a FaceTime with as I was showing patterns of evidence to a group of friends. Oh, yeah, you and I were texting remember this secretly. And so I said to the I said to my, my friends, hey, do you want to talk to the filmmaker? And they're like, Wait, what? This is crazy. And I said, Yeah, I've been texting with him, and he's willing to do a FaceTime. And so we probably talked for about 1520 minutes or so with them. And yeah, they had some fun questions, and they still talk about that. Oh, do they? Oh, yeah. Well, that's great. They're excited about the next film. One of the things that you're here today with me to talk about is the Red Sea crossing the Red Sea miracle really, right. And there's, we know that that happened, but there's some debate about where That is the next part of your journey. And so let's, let's just talk a little bit about what God has done from the Moses controversy up until up until now.

Tim Mahoney : 3:10

Right? Well, the first film that I actually was planning on making was the one that we're making right now. And, you know, it took an 18 year detour, as it were, because there were questions that needed to be answered. When you're making an investigative documentary, you're not planned, you don't know what you're going to get into. Right. And what I got into in the very beginning was the fact that people said, What's the point in searching for the route of the Exodus? Don't you realize, Tim, that there's no evidence for the Israelites in Egypt? And I was like, No, I didn't know that, in fact, that in the film, the patterns of the Exodus, you know, you'll see I come home and have a crisis of right right. You know, and so the last that was and by the way, you know, I'm a, I'm a filmmaker but you know, when they talk about about medicine, they say he's a practicing medicine. Uh huh. Well, I feel like the same thing Hey, you're a practicing filmmaker, practicing filmmaker. I mean, practicing and practicing and practicing. And you know, the The Karate Kid line, which is fantastic, which is wax on wax off. wax on wax off. filmmaking for me has been a long wax on wax off process, I made other variations that I was trying to understand how do I communicate, you know, complex information and make it entertaining and what kind of points of view and finally the patterns of evidence approach became sort of the formula that after a lot of waxing and waxing off a really, you know, came to organically figure it out, because there are threads within these films. The one thread that I didn't realize was maybe and that's why it's taking so long is my own personal life. My own personal journey. Going into this investigation was one thread. The primary thread though, was the Bible. But what is the Bible telling us happened? So it's foundationally. We start with the Bible and its narrative. What is the accountant saying happen? Then there's what have people found in the past? Right? Or whatever then says there for that? And what are the different interpretations of that evidence? You know, how are people interpreting the evidence? Oh, yeah.

John Matarazzo : 5:21

I mean, you look at the world today, and we can show somebody that this thing this event happened and people will. I mean, there's there's still people out there that say that the earth is flat, there's evidence that proves that the earth is a sphere. But there's people that still say that evidence doesn't prove that it's flat. So if people were debating about that, where it's really not that important in the grand scheme of things, something about the the truth of the of the gospel, the truth of the Word of God, there's going to be a big attack about that because we know that the devil doesn't want people to believe in Jesus ultimately. So you're doing a great job of shining light on those things that need to be exposed. You know, when we start out in life, we don't really know which direction we're going. I mean, I remember growing up coming to the age of going to college and trying to figure out what what are you going to do with your life? There was an earlier part where I thought is going to be involved with music. We talked a little right.

Tim Mahoney : 6:19

And I played music in

John Matarazzo : 6:22

I played in a family band. That wasn't your family,

Tim Mahoney : 6:25

right? Yeah, it was a always outside the family. Yeah. And I played in other groups and but I always was interested in the arts and music and eventually, when the thought came about possibly being involved with filmmaking, that began a whole nother interest of the drama of storytelling. But I also like nonfiction, in the sense that I mean, there's nothing wrong with fiction. I think it's interesting, but I've often found it even more so lately. nonfiction documentaries, and some documentaries are fictional I think Yeah, I mean, there's agenda. They're actually not documentaries. They're more propaganda, right films that are made to look like they're truthful. In fact, there's even been a lot of discussion about that lately that there are a number of documentaries that are not really, truly documentary. They're propaganda stick. And sure. But the point being, there's a power to an investigative documentary where you're uncovering information, or you're basically examining someone's life, and you're going back and looking at all that, because it resonates that it's real. And there's so much today that's artificial, that I think that that's why a documentary approach maybe impacts a person more, because there's so much that you know, that's not really real. Yeah. And when you actually when I go to a superhero movie, you know, like, my kids want me to go see something. Yeah, I'm kind of exhausted at the end of it, because I don't really it's not as if I believe that any of it was real, that not like the emotional stakes that I used to feel in certain movies. But I do think in a documentary, there is more emotional connections, because you're starting to see that this is real or this is happening. That was an area that I didn't know that I'd be caught up. And when I started this, because I always wanted to make feature films, right. And so what's happened is, is that I've been able to actually blend the two disciplines, feature film into an emotionally appealing historical documentary style and patterns of evidence,

John Matarazzo : 8:30

you do a great job blending those together with all the films that I've seen so far. The Moses controversy, you know, well, over lunch, we were just starting to talk about that. And one of the things that I took away from that film was that from the very beginning, God really cares about communicating with us. And God doesn't want to just speak to the elites, people that are well educated. He wants to speak to every single person, no matter what stage of life we might be in. God has a desire to speak to us. And that's why he created the alphabet and gave that to Moses. And that's one of the things that the Israelites were different about, because everybody else in the ancient world, only the elites were able to read. Right? God designed that so that we could be in communication in a really a relationship with him. Right. That's one of the things that I took away from, from that film, for sure.

Tim Mahoney : 9:21

Yeah, I'm glad that became clear. Because when I work on a documentary, there's a sense of direction. But I don't know exactly what we're going to uncover, right. And I feel as if I have Providence working in my life, to show me certain things, I have a sense that I need to take a closer look at this. Sometimes it's very, very clear. I could be sitting in a in our offices or whatever. And I just feel like I should go look at that book over there. And, you know, yeah, and I'll go, I would, like, pay attention that, you know, over there, and it's maybe we've had it sitting there for a couple of years. I'll pull it off, and I start looking at it and they'll like, wait a minute. Here's some really important answers. And that's what happened. By the way, we'll We were investigating the Moses controversy. And the premise of that film is that people are critical of the authorship of the of the first five books of the Bible. And I took a completely different direction on that. In that I felt that well, let's just hold that thought for a moment. And let's just ask the question, did Moses have the ability to write write? What would he have used? Because the first first five books, it's actually one book, The Torah, which is divided into five books was was written in Hebrew. That's what we're told. So the question then would be is, well, where did this Hebrew come from? Right. And was it available to people who are asked the question, what was the writing system that he would have used? Was there a writing system that wasn't? Let's say, Egypt? I think I just asked the question, what is the writing system is it in the right time, right of history is in the right place in the world and is a form of Semitic writing? Not let's say hieroglyphic and then the fourth One was going to be actually pops up is, is it alphabetic? Yeah. Because the Hebrew is an alphabetic script, and then the fifth one that comes on top of it, could it be Hebrew? And so in that film basically looks at all that and starts to then, you know, uncover right, this connection. And then what we talked about was that, go ahead and say, what you what it really how it impacted you what you realized,

John Matarazzo : 11:24

just that, that God always wants to communicate with us because of his relationship. And so if God wants to communicate, then he provided a way for us to do that, to understand him, not just he removed the barrier from God speaking to us. So the common man could understand by reading the Word of God,

Tim Mahoney : 11:45

you know, and you know, the scripture says that I think it's the very heavens declare the glory of God. And I've never been great at memorizing verses. I struggled to memorize things. There's certain things that I can remember, but they're the things that are harder for me to remember. But if it's in a Let's say in a story form or narrative, I seem like I can remember all that right names of people. And in certain things, it's like that recall is a little bit harder. But then if you look at that is why is it important that things are written down? Because you could forget. And Moses is told by God, he tells you his rights to write these commands on their doorposts. Right? Teach them to your children, so you won't forget them. But he said, write them down. And the question then is, is that well, if the Hebrews are, let's say, illiterate people, yeah. And they're slaves, how in the world? Are they going to write it down? And what are they going to write it down with? And what you're going to see is, is in the Moses controversy, is that the uncovering of the it's called proto psychotics, you know, that's the earliest form of this alphabetic writing that common people, not the elite, were the ones who were using this. And they were writing and scratching it in places where slaves would have been right Guess what, that's exactly what the Bible says the Israelites were. It sets up the Red Sea miracle that film was saying, there was a right writing system. And I then say, Well, if we know that Moses had the ability to write, then what he wrote was an eyewitness account of a journey, right? An amazing journey out of Egypt, to the mountain of God. And that's what this next film, the Red Sea miracle is going to be uncovering and exploring. And a

John Matarazzo : 13:26

lot of what people understand or picture about the Red Sea miracle comes from the movies like the 10 commandments, and I'm trying to the Prince of Egypt as the other one, I'm trying to think of these giant walls of water on either side as they're crossing the sea. But you've come up to this fact that there's different arguments about where that could have actually happened. Right. And so, tell me a little bit about what you've uncovered with that,

Tim Mahoney : 13:50

you know, context is part of my sort of my nature, in order for you to understand it's like, drawing out a map of an idea. Yeah. So because I'm a visual person, I like to draw things out in. So I have to kind of know, how do I organize? Because it's such a bunch of information. It's like, it's intimidating, you don't know get your head around it. So what I like to do is to basically, once I've listened to all these different viewpoints, I try to figure out how do I categorize? How do I categorize all these ideas, and we found out that they're basically, when it comes to the route of the Exodus, there are two different camps in there sometimes can be an overlapping with people's views. But for the most part, one of the camps I call Egyptian, and that viewpoint has come to the conclusion and it's the most popular viewpoint today that the early books is that the early books the Bible, that Moses borrowed words from Egypt, and they're very similar. So the sea that was crossed in the narrative of the Exodus is called yum soup in Hebrew. Later on, it becomes read And eventually it becomes the sea of reads. And so what they're saying is the reason why becomes the sea of reads is because they think there's a connection between this part two fee, which is an Egyptian part to free means place of reads and safe. So yom sooth it means sea of soup. They think it is connected to pot to fee, okay, which is reads, that's what their connection is. And they're saying seeing some of these words and they're saying, we believe the words around the crossing site. Migdal well what does that mean? Because it says that the Israelites were at a camp between P ha heroes Migdal in the sea. So they're going well p high E Roth, we think that might be mouth of the canal. And Migdal is a name for an Egyptian forte and the yum soup is possibly a sea of reeds. So they place this crossing by lakes in Egypt. The other group is we call the Hebrew God Hebrew approach, Dave saying Moses was writing in Hebrew. He was not Borrowing words from Egyptian. They're saying that this sea that was crossed has geographical indicators in other parts of Scripture as well as when Moses talked about the boundary of Israel. And he uses the term yum soup as the southern border of Israel. And so they're saying it's not a lake next to Egypt. They're saying it's the boundary, the name of this sea also is the boundary of the Promised Land. And it's over by the Gulf of occupy. Yeah. And so this then separates two major viewpoints, one that makes the event of the excess very close to Egypt. And the other one much further away. In a sense once a 's are marshy Lake, right, and the other ones mighty sea. Yeah. And that's the conflict in this investigation with the Red Sea miracle. This is only part one. That's right. Well, it was such a big investigation. Honestly, you know, and you film for years and years and years. And you know how this goes yeah, you have a lot of that a lot of content. One of the things that you're trying to sort out is how do I organize it all? I mean, there's a lot behind this story, but yet you still know that the average person isn't interested in all of it. Right. And some of it's not pertinent. But in this case, our films have multiple viewpoints. So what ends up happening is that when you're building that multi viewpoint fortress, you know, themed film, you have to give more screentime to everybody. Yeah. And so if I'm going to give screentime to the different viewpoints, that eats up, other, you know, usually writing it out, in this particular case, there's only so many minutes and an hour.

John Matarazzo : 17:37

There's 60. Last time I checked, right? Yeah,

Tim Mahoney : 17:39

that's right. Well, if you give, let's say, let's say four viewpoints, then each gets 15 minutes, but then you realize, well, I also have to tell about what happened earlier. So people understand context, right? And so use context is very, very important. That's right in because of the discipline that we've used to help people understand context. They come out of these films going, Wow, I really understood this in what I saw before with working with scholars, they didn't give me any context, and they were talking to another scholar. And over time, I'd have to say, I'm not really sure if I understand exactly what they're saying. But I'm trying to interpret clearly. And so that's why in a patterns of evidence of film, we give the definitions of certain words. Yeah, don't assume that you know what that word means, you know, like Wadi. Yeah, like, well, wha di, or what's a Wadi? Because of people talking about well, they went down this body. Well, why is it dry? riverbed? Valley? Yeah. And if it's raining lookout, get out of that water because it rain in the desert, you'll get swept away in a flash flood. That's an example. You know, and the word lF is used in this lF is actually Hebrew word 4000. And another big question on these two different viewpoints and Egyptian viewpoint versus a Hebrew viewpoint is the question of In Hebrew does Elif mean thousand or does it mean clan? Yeah, because there's supposed to be 603,000 men. That's what the census was saying. And so well, if that's the case, if you had women and children, it could be two to 3 million p Brian, the Exodus. And people in modern mindset can't get their head around that that many people could have existed. Yeah, in the wilderness, let alone travel that many miles

John Matarazzo : 19:27

here in the desert. Right? But with water, but we don't know exactly what that desert looked like back then either.

Tim Mahoney : 19:33

Well, 3500 years ago. Look at how much the Justin, let's just say the dustbowl that happened during the time of the depression. Right, right. You know, they're talking about global warming. Well, we're talking about something that might have been, you know, 3500 years ago, it might have been a desert meaning a wilderness but we don't know how much water and there are lakes that disappear lakes that reappear actually in the Death Valley. I think it was there's a rain that came and The entire place look like a beautiful, long. You know, it had water had flowers, it had grass it was, but it was the Death Valley. Right? And that's one of our thinker updates that we had in the past. And so what you're going to see is that you're absolutely right. We don't know what it looked like. And But the Bible says that it rained abundantly that God provided for these people. Yeah. And another question is, is, is if you look at the number of people when the Israelites came into Egypt, it only addresses the men it said, there are 70 but there was really talking about the men. And I don't know if you know this, but when Abraham earlier talked about when he went out and try the rescue, I think it was a lot. Yeah. He mustered about 300 men of his you know, servants.

John Matarazzo : 20:45

Oh, yeah, that they kicked some serious buttons. Yeah, sorry. Yeah.

Tim Mahoney : 20:48

But there was just Abraham and Isaac. I mean, that, you know, in other words, the two principles of that family were Abraham and Isaac, but he had like, 300, you know, shepherds or, and they were, you know, they were something that be done. With they could go after and chase down a king. Well guess what happens if you end up with Jacob and his 12? You know, when they're all there, right? And they're multiplying over a period of time, if you just take that number and do the math and have multiple generations, you're gonna end up with more than 5000 or 10,000 or 20,000 people. And that's what some people are saying is they're saying, while it was much smaller numbers, so but there is a problem with that, in the biblical narrative, because the narrative is telling us they grew into a mighty host so much, Egyptians were fearful. Exactly,

John Matarazzo : 21:32

yeah. And the Egyptians wouldn't be afraid of just a couple thousand people.

Tim Mahoney : 21:37

Yeah, if it was maybe 515, you know, 10 15,000. It doesn't make sense why they would have put them in slavery in the first place for 400 years, or for you know, they're saying 200 years. I think the time of, well, that's a different topic we get into how long were they slaves? You know, yeah. The promise from Abraham actually begins I think it's like 430 years and then later on in Abraham's life, it goes to 400 the time period was the time the promise was given. I don't know if your audience is understanding this. But when people think well, how long were the Israelites in slaved? There's a little bit of jump there in the sense that what I'm saying in jump is that they weren't slaves, I don't believe for 400 years. Now, the promise came in it would be, you know, in 400 years or 430 years, it starts with 430. Then later on to Abraham, it's Kevin's 400 years. What it's saying is that it was also included in that from that promise was the life of Isaac, the life of Jacob, the life of Joseph. So some people think that that enslavement time was more like 215 years. But the point being, is that over that period of time, they would have multiplied. Oh, yeah. And so that is a tension within this film is asking a question, well, if these people multiplied, how many people were there? And how did God sustain them in the wilderness?

John Matarazzo : 22:52

Yeah. Which is, I mean, the Book of Exodus is and Deuteronomy numbers, they're just filled with miracle. Sometimes we just kind of forget about because we think they crossed the Red Sea and they were right into the promised land. Well, we forget sometimes that there was 40 years of going through the wilderness. That's right. And sometimes in life, it feels like we're going through wilderness at times as well. But God works on miracles and can sustain us. You've got a second part of this coming out, right? And you're busy working on gathering information about that still, which is really cool, because it seems like God's bringing a lot of things to you that is new information. Is there anything that you can tease us with?

Tim Mahoney : 23:33

Well, the question of chartwells Yeah, is going to be the big 800 pound gorilla in the room for the part two of the Red Sea miracle and the film is really about miracles so on one side it's not as if there's a silver bullet if you found one piece of evidence does it you know mean that all this all the you know, the Bible's true or whatever the narrative goes like this comment says that the Israelites went to the sea. They were trapped God miraculously parts, the Water, Israelites, you know, go through it, and then the Egyptians follow them, they have a problem and their wheels get stuck, and they end up being destroyed. So that is the question of, of then people said, Well, if they got destroyed, could there be any remains of the chariots on the sea floor? And that's the part of the investigation that drew me in years ago, I thought, well, that's fascinating. I'd be something there. So I'm trying to close the loop on that, because we have interviewed people who have said that they found something. And in this particular case, I even had one fella take a lie detector test, because they didn't bring anything up. They're not supposed to touch coral, right? And that's supposed to be it's against the law to do anything, but you can photograph it. Some people say, Well, why is it then that people don't get any good photography of this stuff if they say they see it, and that is frustrating, but we're going to have eyewitness account of that pin we're going to explore from marine biologists with the photography that's already been given. Now that we have that we can show, and we're just going to, we're going to dialogue about this, as well as even a bigger question, we're going to show how water would park in a shallow body of water, which is a scientific method, we actually have a model that was created. And we're going to show what's called a wind set down model that and we're going to show you no other crossing locations. So there's, I think we've got it as far as examples goes, you know, we're going to show the lake theories and we're going to show other theories for on the golf vaca. In some places, you wouldn't expect how so that's what the next film we'll be doing on May 5. And from there, we're going to then unpack much further with the help of CS Lewis and Hume, okay, you know, philosopher, the question of miracles, and then do miracles happen and can they still happen? And so that's what we're exploring in the next film. And we're going to actually, I I had someone I said, well, do me Is there any really document, you know, academic proof? Because I was expecting him to know. And then he said, Yes, there is. And I said, Really? He said, Yes. Dr. Craig Keener, has a two volume set that he has documented miracles. So he said, well, let's go talk to him. So yeah, Joel Nye packed up and we went and filmed him. And more information started coming out. And, and so we're going to actually discuss the fact that miracles could they have happened in the past? He says, while they're happening, yes. So they're even happening today. And that goes back into eyewitness account, Ryan, the authenticity of the person who's writing, you know, what is it that you need to verify that something is a miracle? You need an eyewitness account, you need to have a trustworthy source. That's why the writing system was important. Moses, was he trustworthy? Did he write an eyewitness report? Did he write it soon after things happen? All those things that are are necessary to dock Information about miracles were present when Moses was writing the Torah, according to what we know. And not only that, but we started by saying, and he had a writing system. And now that this writing system has historically been shown that it came at the time and place in history, where the events happened in that writing system became the foundation of all alphabetic, I'm saying a writing system meaning an alphabetic writing so Right, right. And then I think it's pretty clear that there's a connection to it being Hebrew boils down to why is it that God wants us to know about these events? How significant was it that a writing system appears that's alphabetic, that common people can learn it's simple enough that only uses 2224 2536 you know, depending on which system you have, that writing system becomes the basis for how the Torah, the first books of the Bible were assembled. And then you think about that The book that utilizes the alphabet more than any other book in the world is the Bible. Now, is that a coincidence? Now, if you're a believer, you'd say, No, it's not a coincidence. Other people will say, well, it's just the way it is. But I'm saying, Well, what if the fact that we have an alphabet is not just a coincidence, but that it was meant to retain the knowledge of God?

John Matarazzo : 28:23

Yeah. Because God wants us to know him. Yeah. And that's his whole plan of redemption for us. One of the things that I've appreciated now I've seen three of your films now, David role has played a big part in the first patterns of evidence in the book that he wrote really helped you kind of understand how the exodus the way that it was the way that we've understood it is more plausible. In the Moses controversy. He explains a lot about the alphabet, the Protestant attic alphabet, but in this film, there's some difference of opinion right with that, and so I appreciate that. You're not just in, you're not just in his camp, or you know, anybody, any of these experts that you're talking to? You are following that evidence and presenting that to people.

Tim Mahoney : 29:10

So and they wrote say, I've just been misled. Yeah, you know, because he says, Oh, well, basically, I'm giving the different viewpoints. You know, and we discussed this in my completely neutral. People want to know what what do you think, Tim? Right, you know, you're on this journey. And what I do know is that I do have a point of view. And in this particular case, I favor the miraculous Red Sea parting, but I want to understand why other people have come to the conclusion where they are, right. And so I'm going to give them their fair chance. I want to know also, for example, why an agnostic or someone who doesn't believe or test their viewpoints. Can you explain to me how you got here, because I'm trying to understand it, because I'm not there. But, and I think that people really appreciate that because they feel like they're more free. To make a decision about this, and that's why I like the name we used for our company called thinking man films. You know, I'm the thinking man of the thinking man films, I'm just saying, okay, the films are based around questions. And so the question is, did this event happen? And if they say, it did or didn't say, Why, and or Where did it happen? And did we find anything? And it's such a foundational event in the biblical narrative, that it's something that I think we need to know whether or not it happened. Right. And then the hard part is, can you find any evidence? So yeah, I think I think the answer has been well, yes. I think we've found something to look at, you know, which is going to be fairly intriguing for people.

John Matarazzo : 30:48

Well, Tim, I know you're busy. And you've got another interview scheduled right after this one. And so I appreciate our friendship. I appreciate what you're doing the explaining the patterns of evidence. That God is showing you and you're presenting it in a way that the common man just like me yeah can understand

Tim Mahoney : 31:06

really how great our God is. Well if people are interested in these films that are coming up patterns of evidence, calm patterns of evidence calm now, obviously, your podcasts you know have different times when the right area but for those who can see it February 18, it's going to be in over 800 theaters February 18 2020. And over 800 theaters for the first episode, it's a fathom event. So if you go to patterns of evidence calm, you can see the trailer you can learn about it. You can read about the cast, and then may 5 is part two, may 5 2020 is part two and another 800 plus theaters and people are very excited about this movie. Oh my gosh, and we got a panel discussion at the end of it. And those are so much fun. Yeah, really hearing all that and our films are so big, they get an intermission.

John Matarazzo : 31:50

It's an event it really is an experience. So well. I'm looking forward to seeing it on the big screen myself. And I know my family, they're excited about seeing it as well. And You sent me a screen here because you're on the real life program. So I got to see it ahead of time on my small laptop screen. And I texted you right away. And I said, This is so good. You leave me wanting more. And I know that everybody that goes and sees this, you're gonna want to know, more of what Tim has found, and about the patterns that God has showed him. Yeah. So, Tim, thank you for allowing me to join you along your way, again on this journey. Well, thank you very much for having me, john. It was great to be able to spend time with Tim again, his passion for finding patterns of evidence is very inspiring. I hope that you get the opportunity to see his films, especially the Red Sea miracle part one and two coming out in May. For that information, go to patterns of evidence calm, I'll be providing links in the show notes. Thank you for listening to along the way. If you've enjoyed joining me along my way, please share this episode with a friend who you think will be encouraged by this podcast. Also, please rate and review along the way in iTunes that helps more people just Go for this podcast and subscribe to along the way on iTunes or wherever you listen to your podcast. You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram and on my website along the way dot media. I hope you've enjoyed this part of my journey and may you realize when Jesus is walking with you along your way